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Regarding Internet Control/Governance
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DnA
on 2005, Novembre 16 - 1:17am
Please read
The Internet: a case of `founders keepers?
by
Anand Parthasarathy
at
http://southasia.oneworld.net/article/view/122112/1/5339
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Mainstream media mania: gotta have a horse race!
by
Wsis NetiZen
on 2005, Novembre 16 - 8:09am
The mainstream media mania for turning all events into horse races or show-downs has reached epic proportions at Wsis 2 in Tunisia.
Wsis 1 in Geneva in 2003 was a tame and 'invisible' summit by contrast.
Who will control the Internet? trumpet the headlines. All other objectives seem lost in the rush to call the race. I was assured by one journalist who called for a comment on Wsis that the only story that mattered to the public was who would control the Internet. Everything else was too boring to print.
So why is there so much confusion about the outcome on INternet Governance?
Maybe thigs are just not so simple! Maybe there are multiple points of view, as there are multi stakeholders. Maybe the jury is still out, and the proof will be in what happens next.
Media mania for the horse race:
Here are two headlines from today:
First:
WSIS - US caves in over monopoly control of the Internet
http://www.computerpartner.nl/article.php?news=int&id=1904
16 nov 2005 |
The U.S. has agreed to consult with other governments over top-level domain names in a major shift in the U.S. policy on control of the Internet, European Union (E.U.) officials confirmed on Wednesday.
and Seond:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-1874797,00.html
US set to maintain grip on the web
The United States looks set to maintain its control over the internet after an eleventh-hour deal averted a potential split between America and the rest of the world over the future governance of the web.
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OK So first:
WSIS - US caves in over monopoly control of the Internet
http://www.computerpartner.nl/article.php?news=int&id=1904
16 nov 2005 |
The U.S. has agreed to consult with other governments over top-level domain names in a major shift in the U.S. policy on control of the Internet, European Union (E.U.) officials confirmed on Wednesda
At the World Summit on the Information Society in Tunis Tuesday, the U.S. signed up to a set of principles of Internet governance proposed by the E.U., according to E.U. officials.
Under the deal struck late Tuesday night, all parties agreed that "no government should have the last word on another country's top level domain", said Martin Selmayr, a spokesman for E.U. Information Society Commissioner Viviane Reding, who attended the meeting.
This marks a "major step towards internationalization" of Internet governance, he said.
A U.S. government official, who asked to speak on background, confirmed that the U.S. was "happy with the deal".
The current system where ICANN (the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers) is responsible for day-to-day management decisions concerning the Internet will remain in place., Selmayr said.
Under the changes, however, if ICANN made a decision affecting a non-U.S. country's TLD (top level domain), it would make a proposal to its controlling body, the U.S. Department of Commerce (DOC). The DOC would then have to consult with the country involved, Selmayr said. Under the current structure, there is no consultation with other countries.
The details of how the procedure would work will be worked out in the first half of next year, he added.
The E.U. has been leading attempts to increase influence of non-U.S. governments over the Internet and the summit's decision represents a considerable victory over the U.S. which wanted to maintain the status quo.
E.U. governments have complained that, under the current system, disputes concerning TLDs have to be settled in the U.S. under U.S. law, putting other countries and non-U.S. firms at a disadvantage.
The summit attendees also agreed to set up an international forum next year to look at general issues of Internet architecture, addressing questions such as spam and child protection. The first meeting will take place in Greece next year under the aegis of the United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan.
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Sounds plausible enough right?
Now hear this: And second:
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http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-1874797,00.html
US set to maintain grip on the web
By Rhys Blakely
The United States looks set to maintain its control over the internet after an eleventh-hour deal averted a potential split between America and the rest of the world over the future governance of the web.
It had been feared that disagreement between the US, which made clear it would not relinquish its control over the way domain names such as ".com" are assigned, and other countries, which have called for more open control, could have led to the establishment of two competing internet standards.
However, diplomats attending a key conference in Tunisia today said agreements had been reached overnight on several crunch clauses, which should be endorsed at the World Summit on the Internet Society (WSIS), which starts in Tunis today.
The three-year deadlock in the talks has centred on Washington’s exclusive oversight of the private body that oversees the key technical and administrative roots of the global network. The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), is now expected to have its tender renewed by the US government next summer.
Washington’s critics warned that no single nation could maintain control over top-level domain or country names - such as .cn, .fr and .uk - without opening itself to accusations of misuse. In response, the US had warned that regimes such as China or Iran, charged with blocking freedom of speech online, might instead be in a position to have leverage over the internet.
"We did not change anything on the role of the US Government with regard to the technical aspects that we were very concerned about," David Gross, the American team’s lead negotiator, said.
"We saw the world’s countries recognising how very important the internet is and how important the growth of the internet is, and no one created a problem that could help retard that growth."
Countries such as Iran and China had sought UN oversight of ICANN or internet governance. The European Union had also called for US powers to be diluted and had called for for an inter-governmental oversight body to be formed.
However, the tentative agreement reached overnight set up two parallel tracks of multilateral talks, including an open-ended process "towards enhanced co-operation" by "relevant international organisations" on oversight and public policy issues. The process will be triggered by United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan early next year, but will have no set targets.
The other track creates an Internet Governance Forum (IGF) for an initial five-year term to hold talks on all internet issues, including problems such as spam, cyber crime or computer viruses.
After a final session during which US, Chinese and Iranian diplomats swapped suggestions for new wording, officials applauded efforts to widen the scope of formal discussion to industry and civil society.
The IGF, which Greece has offered to host, will also be allowed to "build on the existing structures of internet governance" but has no concrete powers.
"The worst has been avoided but we’re not sure that the best is to come in the future. We have left a door open," a member of the French delegation, Bernard Benhamou, said.
"We did not close the door to the essential part: international cooperation," he added.
Shashi Tharoor, the UN Under Secretary General for Communications, said: "We need more voices in the process and we need more voices on the net … [it is] very important that the internet remain a realm for freedom of expression and freedom of opinion".
Businesses such as Google and Microsoft have backed the present model of internet governance.
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Spin matters. The reporters wrote it as they saw it. They did their job. Nothing is wrong or incorrect.
BUT the model is flawed.
The world is too complex for this horse race / shoot out/ show-down mentality. These are not the sort of simple minded metrics that will be needed if Wsis is to accomplish its goals, or if citizens are to be informed adequately so they can participate in the decisons that affect them.
Hey, maybe we need to look a bit more closely at the evidence!
Maybe the story has yet to be told, maybe it isn't over yet; maybe there is room for constructive solutions, shaping the outcomes, and not the zero sum game where if I win, you lose.
In fact, it seems evident that all sectors will be needed to bridge the digital divides: the private, public and civil society sectors. What a radical idea! How about a winning solution for Civil Society, Governments, and the private sector. That would not look like a show down / shoot out / horse race.
Pardon the mixed metaphors but: If Wsis loses sight of its complex objectives, or if the public only encounters this horse race model from their trusted media, if there is no room for the spectators to get into the action, get on the field, and make some changes, then the whole world will lose a chance to make a difference. And that would be a loss.
My 2 cents!
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clear as day
by
DnA
on 2005, Novembre 16 - 12:22pm
What is developing at WSIS, and the spin around it, is nothing if not typical of what we should all have expected.
The future of the internet isn't about a flashy spin like that around the season's anticipated new line of video games...no, that is merely hype and marketing and while it is commercial and crass, we're all so used to it by now.
Don't kid yourselves--the future of the internet is THE commercial/economic front for a battle in which the day's highest order of capitalists have SO MUCH vested interests...this is about the convergence of information transference and the controls thereof.
The WSIS is merely the polite civil facade for the real, backroom brokering that is taking place as i write this. The sooner we open our eyes to this the better.
Do we need evidence? How about the greatest evidence one could ask for--phenomenological evidence:
Consider the experience of civil society versus the capitalist order as it has played out in EVERY matter of technological advance over the years past. Where is the public space/access within the 200+ channels on television now? Did sitting down to negotiations with multinationals stop the viscious clearcut of our forests?
And this "multi-stakeholder" ruse makes me puke. Haven't you heard of the PPP (public-private-partnership) model that has been making so many (tidal) waves in our civil developments...touted as a 'win-win' situation for all, a closer examination has shown, time and again, that the public is being screwed in the name of private interests.
Entering into negotiations over the future of the internet, with major corporations as 'stakeholders', will be tantamount to giving it all away. It would be like sitting down to a game of chess with Garry Kasparov. They will always be a dozen moves ahead, toward their stated purpose. Which is the control of the future dominion of the internet.
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